Jan VanderSchaeve and Cathelijne VanBraeye

Married 1510


Husband:   Jan VanderSchaeve

Born: 1480
Died: 1557
Father: Wouter VanderSchaeve
Mother: (unknown) (unknown)
Other Spouses: Elisabeth DeClercq


The following is from Roel Struyve.

Jan was "Buitenpoorter of Kortrijk at Sint-Eloois-Vijve" from before 1530 until his death in 1557. His widow Elisabeth DeClercq succeeded his "buitenpoorterschap" in 1558.

BUITENPOORTERSCHAP: this is when, for an annual fee, you bought yourself a "citizenship" of a city although you didn't live in that city.  (In this case the city being Kortrijk, and Jan living in Sint-Eloois-Vijve)  Among the advantages of such citizenship was that all questions of inheritances (children were considered orphans when one of their parents died) were dealt with by the administration of Kortrijk, who were better educated and more experienced, instead of the local administration and another big advantage was that they were not subject to the rule of "het beste hoofd".  In feudal times the whole country was divided into thousands of big and small pieces (heerlijkheden) which were almost like miniature states in which a "Lord" (heer) was the main authority.  One of the rights of the lord was in case of death of one of his "subjects" to claim the best piece of the inheritance ("beste hoofd") being whatever it was: a horse, a cow, etc...  So as soon as a familyman became wealthy enough to own something ( a house, a farm, cattle..) he would also want to become "poorter" in order to preserve his wealth for his offspring.

For genealogists this means that if you want to trace your ancestors before 1600 (when the priests started recording individual data concerning baptism, marriage and funeral) they had to be wealthy enough to become "poorter" so they were registered as such (with registers in some cases dating back to the 14th century) and if they owned something and they happened to die while any of the children were still minors the "state of possessions" was recorded to arrange the inheritance.   In these 'Staat van Goed" we find information on the possessions themselves, but on the descendants of the person deceased.

So, getting back to our ancestors, there is  a  "Staat van Goed" made after the death of Cathelyne Van Braeye.  There were still 5 children under age (people were considered adults at 25) (and two already married).  Each child owned the right to  1/7 of farmhouses in Sint-Eloois-Vijve, Sint-Baafs-Vijve and Zulte and also to some shattered pieces of land.

From the data we can conclude that our oldest known ancestors were quite wealthy people.  They didn't only own a house they owned a couple of them (! ) and some grounds in the region around Sint-Eloois-Vijve .


Wife:   Cathelijne VanBraeye

Born: 1485
Died: 1538
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Female  Child 1:   (unknown) VanderSchaeve

Born: 1512
Died:  
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Female  Child 2:   (unknown) VanderSchaeve

Born: 1514
Died:  
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Male  Child 3:   Jan VanderSchaeve

Born: 1516
Died: 1556
Spouse: Margriete DeSchietere
Children: Jan VanderSchaeve


The following is from Roel Struyve:

He was also Buitenpoorter van Kortrijk at Sint-Baafs-Vijve, and after his death in 1556 his wife inherited this status.  Since Jan died before his child reached adulthood his possessions were registered to secure them for his son.  There were always two guardians appointed, one from father's side of the family and one from mother's side.  In this case Jan Vander Schaeve son of Wouter (the grandfather of the orphan) was appointed as guardian and succeeded on 17 april 1559 (afther his death) by Lieven Vander Schaeve (uncle of the orphan).  Both of them lived in Sint-Eloois-Vijve.  The orphan inherited pieces of land in Zulte and Waregem.  Also afther the death of his grandfather he inherited a farmhouse in the centre of the village of Sint-Eloois-Vijve called "De Lelie" (the Lily).  (So this would have been the oldest known home of your ancestors Pete) .


Male  Child 4:   Lieven VanderSchaeve

Born: 1519
Died: 1585
Spouse: Joorijne Bruggermans
Children: Jan VanderSchaeve, Joos VanderSchaeve, Loys VanderSchaeve, Lieven VanderSchaeghe, Philips VanderSchaeve


He lived in Sint-Eloois-Vijve

The following is from Roel Struyve:
Lieven was also Buitenpoorter van Kortrijk to Sint-Eloois-Vijve from 1558 untill 1585.  Afther his death however the record of his possessions are very sumerely  submitted: there were more debts than benefits.  (Flanders was in the middle of a very difficult time with "religious wars" between Protestants and Catholics, Spanish and Dutch government. "Lucky" for us the register after the death of mother Jorijne tells us more: There were 5 sons of which one was already married: Jan, Joos, Loys, Philips and Lieven (your further forefather).  They inherited grounds in Sint-Eloois-Vijve and part of a farmhouse annex inn called 'Sint-Antonius' in the centre of the village of Sint-Eloois-Vijve.


Female  Child 5:   Lievijne VanderSchaeve

Born: 1522
Died:  
Spouse: Jan VandenBerghe
Children: Hans VanderSchaeve, Lieven VanderSchaeve, Karel VanderSchaeve, Jacquemijne VanderSchaeve, Janneke VanderSchaeve, Synkin VanderSchaeve


 


Female  Child 6:   Jacquemijne VanderSchaeve

Born: 1524
Died: 1567
Spouse: Gillis VanderBiest
Children: Hans VanderBiest, Liefken VanderBiest, Callekin VanderBiest, Jannekin VanderBiest


The following is from Roul Struyve....

When she died, they had to divide half of the half, or 1/4th, of the all ready divided land of the farmhous sint-Antonius and 1/4th of the grounds in Sint-Eloois-Vijve. This in how the family inheritance was cut to pieces.


Female  Child 7:   Beatrijs VanderSchaeve

Born: 1526
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